Part 4 of five programmes. In part 4, Guy Glover speaks about McLaren. He points to the kinaesthetic nature of McLaren’s work and says very appositely that “his drawings are more directly personal than his films”. Then we hear McLaren talking about his career in New York and his coming to Canada. The quality of the McLaren recording is not good. Then we hear from both Tom Daly and Grant Munro – Daly on his first impressions of McLaren and Munro on how he himself came to the NFB.